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That why I would fight tooth and nail to keep creationism out of a public school or university classroom (including my own University, which is private), but wouldn try to ban a creationist speaker hosted by my own University. When someone in physics invited William Dembski to speak here in 2014, I expressed my concern, but didn try to get his invitation rescinded.
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Or, actually, he does seem to get it, but somehow can shake the idea that somehow a speech that is freely open to be heard or ignored isn all that different. Well, it is, one could very well argue (not on First Amendment grounds, but on merit) that Bannon should not teach anything at the University, while it hardly free speech if people who say what Bannon might is reason for deplatforming and/or disruption.
Of course in a legal senseit isn all that different, because the private university can very well deplatform or canada goose outlet toronto factory censor Bannon on its campus. What matters is the sense of what university is about, which includes relatively free speech (no, no one is owed a platform, there needs to be some demand for it (who wants to hear, say, a bunch of Holocaust deniers? that none should speak at uni ever)), the debate of ideas. That may include ID/creationism, especially if they can ever say anything new.
The fight was never that Bannon should become a professor at the university. Probably he shouldn canada goose factory outlet toronto location and neither should any creationist who would promote religious ideas in the classroom.
Very good. This broader issue of broadcasting ones views in a university or classroom is a slightly intricate one, and the issue should be discussed as a means to help us navigate our way through the issue.
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